At Ron's house we are having hive problems. If you'll remember he got the queenless side of the Lenox Pointe split and all of Colony Square (which at the time looked queenless).....Since that time, the Lenox Pointe hive simply dwindled away. The Colony Square hive appears to have gone through two queens. Neither were any good.
The most recent decision I've made about that hive was to take a queen from Mississippi that I got from my friend Steve Esau and put her in her cage into the Colony Square hive. There was no brood and hadn't been except for about three or four capped drone cells. With no eggs and no capped brood, I assumed the queen had died.
I put the queen cage into the hive on Monday last week. On Friday I went over and found that the hive had not released the queen. This would imply that the hive with no brood and eggs, has a queen.
I looked through every frame and found the queen. She was small, with a small abdomen. I wanted to kill her but just couldn't so I tried to pick her up on my hive tool. Instead I flipped her out of the hive. I looked on the ground and couldn't find her, although I found several bees who were flipped out with her.
I didn't have a queen excluder with me. Jeff suggested that I put it under the hive so she couldn't get back in and that might have worked, but I didn't have one.
What to do? I decided to break open a honey cell in one of the honey combs and get honey on my finger. I held it to the openings in the queen cage and let the caged queen lick it off of my finger so she wouldn't starve. When she quit licking I put her back into the hive in her cage in case the queen I flipped was injured and the bees would want a new queen. I went to the mountains for the weekend.
Today I went back over there and the queen had still not been released. I took a queen clip (borrowed) with me and on my second try was able to capture the queen (along with a drone and about three bees). I dropped the whole contraption into a pillow case, made sure the Mississippi queen in her cage was placed well and went home.
I didn't know what to do with the queen. She obviously is a dud and I should kill her. But remember my experience back in 2009? I swore I wouldn't kill a queen again.
So I brought her home and made a nuc. I took a frame of brood and eggs from my MS nuc, I took some honey out of Drone Layer, and a frame of capped brood from there as well. I added a frame of nectar and an empty frame. I closed the front of the nuc up with screened wire and left them.
I still had the queen in the clip in the pillow case. I decided that I would slip her in the clip between the frames overnight for the bees to get used to her. Well, I opened up the pillow case. All of the bees except the drone and the queen had escaped the clip.
Remember how she is a small queen? As I picked up the clip, the queen slipped between the slats of the clip and flew away. Exasperated and relieved, I released the drone. As I leaned down to pick up the pillow case, the queen landed on my hand. She had returned to me, since she didn't have a home to go to and the pillow case was her last resting place.
Really? She wanted to come back to me.....OK, so now I have her in my possession again. I clipped her back in the clip and put her in the pillow case. She'll probably get out and be running around the pillow case.
I decided that at dusk, I'll put her in the nuc to be with the bees there. If they don't want her, they can kill her. I've given them a frame of brand new eggs to use to make a queen of their own. I've closed off the tiny nuc so that they won't return to their own old hives and tomorrow I'll open the entrance back up again.
Also tomorrow I'll take a frame of brood and eggs to Ron's hive, just for support for the new queen.
This is the tale that began in 2006 in my first year of beekeeping in Atlanta, GA. ...there's still so much to learn.
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Monday, June 20, 2011
The State of the Queen at Blue Heron
In the 91 degree heat, I stopped by Blue Heron at 2:30 today. The queen cage was put in place on Thursday night. It's Tuesday and I thought the queen should be released by now. I opened the very calm hive to find the bees walking around in the area of the queen cage.
I lifted out the cage, but the queen was still in there!
The black tube that holds the fondant was eaten almost to the end. I thought by now they would have released her, and in a different kind of queen cage, they probably would have. The typical queen cage has about 1/2 inch of fondant between the bees and the queen. This cage has about 1 inch (see the black tube) of fondant. They have almost eaten all the way through it, but not quite.
I decided given the calm demeanor of the hive and the small amount of sugar left and the fatness of the queen (she's grown since Thursday) that the bees are accepting her. I could have direct released her at this point, but decided to leave her there and let the bees let her out in their own way.
This was a rather dissatisfying trip, so I took Hannah, my dog, and explored the community garden that the Blue Heron bees are pollinating.
I saw bees on onion flowers.
The bees were all over most of the flowering plants in the garden.
I also noticed straight cucumbers (denoting good pollination - thanks, bees).
Here's a view of the pathway leading away from the garden (and Hannah, of course).
Here's a view of half of the community garden that our bees at Blue Heron are pollinating.

I lifted out the cage, but the queen was still in there!

The black tube that holds the fondant was eaten almost to the end. I thought by now they would have released her, and in a different kind of queen cage, they probably would have. The typical queen cage has about 1/2 inch of fondant between the bees and the queen. This cage has about 1 inch (see the black tube) of fondant. They have almost eaten all the way through it, but not quite.
I decided given the calm demeanor of the hive and the small amount of sugar left and the fatness of the queen (she's grown since Thursday) that the bees are accepting her. I could have direct released her at this point, but decided to leave her there and let the bees let her out in their own way.

This was a rather dissatisfying trip, so I took Hannah, my dog, and explored the community garden that the Blue Heron bees are pollinating.
I saw bees on onion flowers.

The bees were all over most of the flowering plants in the garden.

I also noticed straight cucumbers (denoting good pollination - thanks, bees).

Here's a view of the pathway leading away from the garden (and Hannah, of course).

Here's a view of half of the community garden that our bees at Blue Heron are pollinating.

Thursday, August 20, 2009
The Queen is Dead! Long Live the Queen!
Beekeeping takes me into unexpected places - most of them good ones. Today I had a sad, sad experience.
My two hives at Blue Heron are doing badly - one has a queen who appears to be a drone layer (or at least that's how the hive looked at the August 8 inspection) - probably poorly mated. The other has a queen who is barely laying, has a poor brood pattern and was also probably short-bred when she mated. Both of these queens were made by the bees in the hive from their own eggs.
So conferring with other beekeepers, the decision was made to order a new queen. I would then combine the two hives, getting rid of the current queen in both hives and order a new queen to rule the combined hive.
Honestly, I have dreaded the day. I never find queens well in the hive and today I was going to have not only to find them but to do away with them.
This morning the UPS guy arrived at my office with my new queen from the Purvis Brothers Apiary. He had no idea that the package contained bees (it did have an apiary health certificate in bright yellow affixed to the package.....). I asked if I could take his picture and it's not in focus because I did it really quickly.
I opened the package in front of him and showed him the queen cage - he was amazed and wanted to know what I was going to do with it. I guess it was a little strange to deliver a queen bee to a psychologist's office!

So here's where the sad part of the story begins. I loaded up my car and drove to Blue Heron. On the way, I called Cindy Bee for help and advice. I wanted to know if it were OK to install a new queen and put a baggie feeder on the hive at the same time.
She gave me the thumbs up, so I went armed with
- a baggie feeder, full of 2:1 sugar syrup
- a nuc to put one of the queens in (I was planning to give her to Julia, my Blue Heron partner in crime, to put in an observation hive).
- A closed container of vanilla, watered down a little, and a silicone brush to brush it on the top of the frames
- Her Majesty and attendants, now with a string and a push-pin tack to attach her to the hive frame top
- All of my hive inspection paraphernalia
First I told myself that I would find the queen in each hive. I thought I should have the right mindset and I should believe that I could spot her in order to find her easily . I used very little smoke - just a puff at the door and moved slowly, giving myself plenty of time (I had a 2 hour break in which to do this).
I looked through the frames on this hive and found the queen almost immediately. I took the frame she was on and put it in the nuc (a weak queen is perfect for an observation hive). BTW, the frame also had an almost ready to emerge perfect queen cell on it. The bees must not like this queen either.
Then I added a second frame of brood, a frame of honey, another frame of honey and a third frame with very little brood but some pollen. I turned the entrance away from the hives and put a basket of hive inspection stuff in front of it because it would need to sit there until I was done. In effect I created a split.
The rest of the bees on frames that had a little brood and lots of open cells stayed in the box for transfer to the combined hive. Cindy and I talked about doing a direct transfer at this time of year. The plan would be to paint the tops of the frames with vanilla to confuse the odors in the hive so the bees would be confused and blend with each other.
And then I would simply put the frames from one hive into a box directly with the frames from another hive. Cindy said it's too hot in Hotlanta to do a newspaper combine in August. Below you can see my vanilla concoction and silicone paint brush.

Then I got to hive two and opened it. I found the queen on the second frame in the bottom box (the first one I looked into). I debated. Should I do away with her right then while I could see her or look deeper into the hive to make sure she was still a drone layer.
She was a beautiful, large majestic queen, but I hesitated to go through the hive for fear I'd not find her again.............so I flicked her off of the frame with my hive tool onto the ground. Then I used my hive tool, supposedly to cut off her head, but I couldn't watch so in effect I split her. I didn't take pictures. It seemed so cruel and sad.
I'm never doing that again, I swear. I felt horrible and sick.
I'm going to set up a retirement nuc for aging queens and put them all in there. I can never, never destroy a queen like that again.
Then of course, I looked through the rest of the hive and doubted my decision. The hive looked good with lots of brood and young larvae.
I'm trying to comfort myself by saying that the Purvis Goldlines are disease resistant, the combination will create a strong hive going into winter, it will help the combination to work if they have to all adjust to a new queen, etc. etc, but I still think I'm going to feel sad for a while after this destructive beekeeping act.
So here's the queen cage. I've threaded a paper clip through the top and tied a string to the clip. I uncapped the sugar fondant for the bees to eat through it.

I lowered her Majesty into the newly combined hive, every frame anointed with vanilla (see the brown drops of it on the frame? This is an eight-frame box which has a little wiggle room so I also put a frame into the space where the cage is, put the baggie feeder in a third box with a couple of frames of honey, closed the hive and left them all to get acquainted.

I am serious about never wanting to do this again. Cindy said to put the body of the queen on the floor of the hive so the bees would know, but when I looked down to pick her up, a mortician bee had already carried her off.
A sad day in my beekeeping world.
Monday, September 01, 2008
Tales of Devorah's new Queen
I put the new queen in the hive on Wednesday evening and I've been gone since Thursday. When I returned home today, I couldn't wait to suit up and check on this hive. Had the queen been released? That was the question I most wanted answered - and in a positive way.
I opened the top and the hive sounded good - no queenless roar. It's quite cloudy today - legacy from Gustav who has traveled toward Louisiana trailing our cloudy weather in his wake. The bees were not happy to see me, but it felt more like they were disturbed, not queenless. They head-butted but didn't roar.
There were lots of bees still in this hive. Here's the inside of the inner cover. There are about twice as many bees below the inner cover and on the telescoping cover.

Gingerly I pulled out the frame with the queen cage. There were bees in the cage and I could still see what looked like a lot of candy. I felt distressed, although I didn't see the larger queen with her red dot. I shook the bees out of the cage onto the tops of the frames. Then it was obviousl The queen had been freed and the sugar candy was just a shell against the hardware cloth. I hope they have accepted her and are working well together.

I did see about twelve SHBs in this hive - it's on the ground under a tree and has been queenless, but I didn't feel worried enough about the numbers to put in a trap.

I've got my fingers crossed for this hive.
I opened the top and the hive sounded good - no queenless roar. It's quite cloudy today - legacy from Gustav who has traveled toward Louisiana trailing our cloudy weather in his wake. The bees were not happy to see me, but it felt more like they were disturbed, not queenless. They head-butted but didn't roar.
There were lots of bees still in this hive. Here's the inside of the inner cover. There are about twice as many bees below the inner cover and on the telescoping cover.

Gingerly I pulled out the frame with the queen cage. There were bees in the cage and I could still see what looked like a lot of candy. I felt distressed, although I didn't see the larger queen with her red dot. I shook the bees out of the cage onto the tops of the frames. Then it was obviousl The queen had been freed and the sugar candy was just a shell against the hardware cloth. I hope they have accepted her and are working well together.

I did see about twelve SHBs in this hive - it's on the ground under a tree and has been queenless, but I didn't feel worried enough about the numbers to put in a trap.

I've got my fingers crossed for this hive.
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